Sunday, September 21, 2008

FirefightersStory-Why I HAD to Enter Therapy

I remember all too well just how low I was, and had slid away from everyone around me. There was a state of total confusion in our household. My family, who loved me the most, and I them, were the people furthest from me. My wife was screaming inside, desperate for me to get help, in order that somehow it would save our family, and me. My kids had no understanding of what was going on. How could anyone expect my three young girls to understand something that my wife and myself as adults couldn't understand. Everyone was reeling with anger, and we were self destructing. My family , and myself included, all found a way to avoid each other, in order to survive from me and all the 'problems' , symptoms that I was exhibiting, and had, and thus caused. A tremendous feeling of guilt had overcome me by this time.


We all enter therapy for our own reasons. My reasons, I'm sure were similar to others, a combination of many things all culminating in my decision to start and embrace my therapy.


My whole world had hit rock bottom. I was scared with the choice that had been forced upon me. I say forced, because I had played all the cards I had in my hand, so to speak. I was lost, and would, and was, losing my family. My "avoidance" wasn't working. My family had collapsed as a "family unit" and was non existant. My wife and kids were going to leave me, their decision was already made, though at the time, I didn't realize that if I didn't change somehow, this is what was about to happen. My family was still holding onto THEIR HOPE that I would realize, by myself, that all of our existance together was so desperate and bleak that I would make that "lifesaving decision" and take the next step for ALL of us! Intensive, specialized treatment.

I had sought treatment though after I was trapped in the fire that I came so close to dying in. I had done everything that I knew to survive, cope, and yes, to avoid. I was running on empty. I had nothing left inside me that would allow me to change anything. I thought that because I had already sought help, that this was as good as it was going to get. Absolutely, perfectly, miserable! This was a nightmare, for everyone involved, literally and figuratively.

There were many symptoms I was experiencing now, and all were raging full force. My whole body was on a heightened state of "alertness". The nightmares that had plagued me for years had increased tenfold by now. This was when I got any sleep at all, which was extremely rare, and even while on medication to knock me out, to give me a brief respite from the nightmare that I was living. Ya, and that really worked well!! NOT!
I don't know how I didn't overdose on the sleeping pills , nerve pills, and combination of both that I was taking just to get maybe an hours sleep, as I had been doing for years, and getting more desperate to try and get rid of my nightmares. I was terrified of sleeping though, because I knew what I had to look forward to. Sheer terror, vivid real life and in color movies of those two prominent traumatic incidents/fires that were the focus of my being now. Not a minute went by that somehow, I didn't find myself replaying, and reliving those two incidents. Awake, asleep, didn't matter, images, sights and sounds of a movie playing over and over in my brain. When I did manage to fall asleep, my wife would often be awakened to me screaming at the top of my lungs. It sounds like a cliche, but this is true, awakened to blood curdling screams. I would bolt upright, screaming, sweating, hyperventilating, and very confused and extremely scared because I wouldn't know where the hell I was, or what had just happened. That was it for the rest of the night as I would have to stay awake for the rest of the night and stay busy in order to not fall asleep, as if that was going to happen, but I would end up sitting up in a chair in the livingroom, and crying uncontrollably. Other times, when I did manage to fall asleep, I would end up disturbing her sleep by twitching, shaking, or as she says, flip flop and rock and rolling. There were times that I would be asleep, dreaming, and breathing at a very rapid rate and twitching. Other times, you did everything you could to wake up and stop the nightmares, as you would be saying to yourself that this is horrific, wake up , stop it, all subconsciously of course, but to no avail.
This is just some of what was going on, and why I had to enter therapy. I will continue next sunday, as I must end it here and quit, as I have said before, I know my limitations, and again this has been very difficult to write about as it is still extremely raw and emotional, as well as draining for me. Maybe you will be able to relate to some of what I have written here, and if you do, then please remember one thing, YOU ARE NOT ALONE!!
Thanks, Larry

93 comments:

Anonymous said...

I looked forward to reading this today as I struggled through what seemed like every minute this weekend.

I certainly could see the huge change in who I normally am as a person. Spending the whole weekend (when I was not working) laying on the couch in and out of sleep. I have changed from trying to keep myself busy so I have no time to think, to being so tired I am exhausted.
I believe I have also hit rock bottom. It is scarey, and it brings me an uncontrollable realm of emotions. I also feel forced in my decision to see our mutual friend, not because someone is forcing me personally, but I can't seem to get back up and on with my life. I have accepted that this time I need help. I can't do it on my own anymore.

Like yourself my nightmares are vivid, my memories are constant with triggers from the smell in the air, the temperature, the time, what people look like all bring back bad thoughts.

I am supposed to work tomorrow and I just want to curl up in a safe place on the couch and rest.
Life has changed so much for me since this thing has reared its ugly head. I just wish I could shut it down and it was over. It is so overwhelming.

Anonymous said...

I KNOW and I went through EXACTLY the same emotions, feelings and I HAD to be taught that I COULD NOT HIDE all of this from my family, and I use to do the same.THEY are going through this WITH YOU and WILL SUPPORT YOU so you MUST let them SEE YOU CRY ALSO! I was the same as you are doing now, let them know PLEASE it's IMPORTANT so when they see you cry, you can reach to them as they will to you to hold each other and LOVE each other for SUPPORT and HELP!
You are doing GREAT although you don't feel it, I can truly see you going through what I did, SHARE these FEELINGS with your family PLEASE!! TRUST ME it will HELP YOU!! I'm off to work, will chat after Larry YOU ARE DOING THIS AND WE ARE ALL SO PROUD OF YOU, LET YOUR FAMILY SEE THIS TO EMBRACE YOU HOLD YOU LOVE YOU AS YOU WILL THEM AT THIS IMPORTANT TIME!!!

Anonymous said...

I am not ready to share with them. This will be long for me and I know that, and I do not want them feeling the pain as I do specially my children.
My job as a mother is to defend them and keep them safe and adding my burden is not doing that.
I do hear where you are coming from though.

Anonymous said...

Ya know what I find difficult. Going to work and having to talk an greet all these people with kindness and enthusiasm, when I am in so much pain inside.

I am not in a good space right now and although I am trying to get out of it myself I can't.
I have tried everything. I am messing up my appointments, screwing up my schedule and forgetting things I never use to.

What in the h___ is wrong with me.
I want more than anything to just get away from everything. I have only talked to 3 people about this where you actually understand.

I know you are there Larry and I am very thankful for your understanding and experiences, but it is not the same as having someone talk to. I also know this is my fault because I am the one having problems trusting people with this. I don't know why I am as I should be proud of what I have accomplished and represented our country.

I am expected to work fulltime after spending a night with nightmares. I feel incompetent.

Anonymous said...

THIS IS NOT YOUR FAULT!!!!!!I had to have this drilled into me also and my girls through the education we received learned that IT WAS NOT MY FAULT and they use to see me crying all the time and they would give me a hug and tell me it's not your fault. OK, by sharing, I mean letting them know that you are having a bad, rough time or however you want to put it. They will understand, and they WILL support you!Your whole family is going thru this as did mine. Hiding it doesn't help any of you.Forgetting appts.scheduling etc. is also what I did, my wife called me'scatterbrain'.Use to go out to get grocery's, put em all back, came home cause I couldn't decide what I wanted or was suppose to get.I'd gorget something seconds after it was told to me. So NOTHING is WRONG with you as I have been thru what you are describing, as have others. It's normal for us, as in PTSD/symptoms etc.Call our friend, she's there to talk, or how about support group OSSIS PLEASE they are there to talk and help you also.I know I'm on the other end of computer, BUT the above people can talk to you so please call them, will you? Larry

Anonymous said...

YOU KEEP THAT FEELING OF BEING PROUD TO REPRESENT OUR COUNTRY AS YOU DESERVE IT!! AND WE HAVE THE HIGHEST AND UTMOST RESPECT FOR YOU AND YOUR FELLOW MATES!!AND IF IT WASN'T FOR YOU WE WOULD NOT HAVE THE FREEDOM WE HAVE!!PLEASE PLEASE CALL OUR FRIEND OR SUPPORT GROUP larry

Anonymous said...

Our Friend is away and OSSIS 24 hour line i called and the person ask me what PTSD meant and put me on hold. When it takes everything to phone, to be put on hold just allows me the time to hang up.

Nice to know I am not going crazy in my lack of memory

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry, I didn't realize any of this. So, you're stuck with me then,I'm not goin anywhere,I'm not leavin your side,and I know we can't speak personally, but I WILL DO EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING I CAN to help and I know you can do this because everything you are saying as I said is "normal" for us with PTSD as I remember it all too well. Please take comfort in that because YOU ARE NOT ALONE! OK. How can I help? What do you need or want to talk about? Anything at all ok.And no, your memory does seem to be fine, right? unlike mine, cause I still can't get the grocery's. Larry

Anonymous said...

I decided to go for a run and use the time to think, and get rid of some of my tears. I am still not ready to share with my family.

I have decided one thing. I need to take a leave of absence for a month from one of my jobs. I have 3 jobs right now and where i am right now with this I need a break. I am going to see my employer tomorrow and let them know. That will be difficult but I have to do it.
You know Larry you don't need to stay on. I am going to be fine. You know how this goes. It is tough to get through it, but you get by. I thank you though but you need to spend time with those girls who you keep forgetting what food to buy them.
Believe me I know how you feel and that is why I make good use of a pen and paper.
I will talk to you tomorrow. I will use the OSSIS line if I need to.

Anonymous said...

It is 3:30 in the morning and I wanted to tell you that I appreciate you taking the time to talk to me. I just don't want you to feel that you need to chat everyday. It may not allow you to move on and I worry that it might not benefit your road to recovery.
Have you talked to our mutual friend as to whether she feels that this is good for you as I am at such a different place in this.

Not that I don't want to talk to you, because I really appreciate it, but more in that I don't want you having more problems listening to me and where I am and the struggles I am having.

Anonymous said...

OK, I WANT TO DO THIS, I WILL DO THIS, AND AM GOING TO DO THIS, AND WE'RE IN THIS TOGETHER, OK!If you will allow me, though, and please say yes. I WANT to chat withyou as many times as you want and need to. I know i've said this, but I remember all too well all the different emotions, feelings, tears I had, so I can relate, and I'm HOPING I can help in some small way,and continue to give you my help anyway I can. Running, GREAT idea,exercise worked for me too!Our mutual friend knows about this, but has no contact with this site as it's personal between you n me.As for my family, they are all VERY involved with other aspects of also HELPING others, and no need to worry, lots of my times with them,so lets do this, shall we??Your employer, talking to them, GREAT idea, you are making all kinds of great decisions now, okkay, and it's all so that YOU TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF so you can get through this, OK! I'm REALLY PROUD OF YOU you're remarkable person and you can do this,, I KNOW YOU CAN, AND YOU KNOW YOU CAN ALSO, NEVER GIVE UP, talk as soon as I get home from work, only if you want though.
Larry

Anonymous said...

Yes and thanks. The only problem is that your not letting me crawl back in my own space where I am more comfortable.
Easier to avoid than to talk.

Anonymous said...

Well Larry, I have such mixed emotions with my decision to take a leave of absence for one month from one of my jobs. That will allow me more time to think which is destructive. On the other hand I am not managing my life with it.

Can't win can I.

Anonymous said...

Oh hi!! Let's chat shall we?? Hope that might have got a small smile outta ya.Ccrawling back in?Ya, it's not that I'm not letting you, I like to look at it like YOU ARE DOING THIS with a little tiny bit of help and reassurance from me?? How am I doing so far?You are the BRAVE ONE here, remember.Avoid is what we ALL did, but LOOK HOW YOU ARE DOING OKAY, no sugarcoating right, Yes it's hard, difficult, and every other nasty emotion as I call em comes at you, BUT,IT WILL BE WORTH IT AND YOU WILL GET CONTROL OF YOUR LIFE AND YOU WILL FIND YOUR HOPE!!or new life as I call it.You are going thru what I have been thru and I know how hard and upset and raw you feel, but I KNOW HOW STRONG YOU ARE, and YOU ARE DOING THIS with all the LOVE AND SUPPORT from your family, friends whom you've shared with, and us on the other end of this stupid computer, OK!Betcha smiled!? Chat in a bit, but only if ya want to, ok,Larry

Anonymous said...

So did you talk with your friends when you were going through this. I know you get pretty close with the guys you work with sharing a difficult job that makes sure you take care of each other.

I have not shared this with any of my friends in civi world. I have shared this with one guy who is a treasure to me. We went overseas together as I did with 2 other team members who are like my brothers. I know he has what we have and I felt I could always trust him. I don't talk to him much as he travels all the time but I know he is there for me if I need him.

I also talked to a guy in OSSIS who is the first guy I contacted. He has been great at helping and understanding me. His persistance and patience was so needed. He is the one who directed me to our mutual friend. Other than you, and our mutual friend I am not brave enough to face it with anyone else.

Not ready I guess and I can't talk about it anyway without crying.

Ya know Larry I can't remember a day I have passed without crying. I look forward to better days ahead. It just seems to be taking to long to start and feel better.
Its is like the long lost secret.

Anonymous said...

Hey,YOU ARE GOING TO BE OK, and crying, I cried all day long, many times, without warning, and I'd have to run out of a store or something, or I just was too scared to go out for fear of crying, breaking down in front of everyone.As for my guys in the station, ya they knew,in that they could imagine what I was going thru, feeling etc,they kept it secret, helped me by just saying if I wanted to talk they'd listen. But, I'd still have to run and hide in the station when I busted down and cried out of nowhere. They were very protective of me.I'm a Lt. which is like a sergeant major,sort of, they're my guys,I'm first in, last out of situations.Sacrafice myself so they didn't have to see certain things, all of them horrific.I have not shared ANY of this with anyone,except out mutual friend, family, and they still don't know all, it's best not to go in there ya know what I mean. You share it with who you want,when you want, no rules, no pressures OK.You might find this interesting to know but, only 1 guy at work knows I am even doing this, except for deputy chief whom I had to get permission from,and there's another huge story. So, when word gets out,and it will because of upcoming things(can't say now sorry) I'm going to be in for another HUGE challenge!I'll save a whole sundays writing regarding that struggle.Our mutual friend knows,obviously,but although my wife 3 girls lived thru it, even they don't know alot of my 'feelings and thoughts' as it is still difficult,i'm always learning and as I said, I'm still fresh.I have alot to say still with all of what I've seen, done, been thru etc.but all in good time.

Anonymous said...

Exhausted, check on you in a.m. before I leave for work, and of course when I get home. Keep your chin up please, You are doing great. You might be interested to know, I'm going to my first OSSIS meeting tomorrow night.Larry

Anonymous said...

In all my journeys in different places of the world I have shared nothing with anyone. From the things I saw within my job as horrific as it was it tears me up inside.
I never understood how we can be at a place and see so much and leave and noone talks a word about it.

It is like you pretend it didn't happen. I know how important the value of life is.
Well Larry like I said before I would like to dump it all on the table but it is just to hard.

It makes my stomach really sick right now so that is all I can say.

As for your challenge that will soon happen, you will be in my thoughts as you face it. I know you are close to our mutual friend so that is good you can go to her for understanding and guidance.

I find right now I can't add any other stress in my life. It is too much

Anonymous said...

I was supposed to go to my first OSSIS meeting tomorrow night also.

I am not there yet. I have trouble dealing with this myself let alone in front of others. i am still trying to hide from it rather than deal with it.

You will meet a very special person at the front door. He is the one helping me through this.

Anonymous said...

Yes, I know about the 'pretend it didn't happen' and we each saw different stuff but it's like I wrote about here, you just don't say anything, and for 24 years it's built up for me until my two worst, then I had to get help, but out mutual friend WAS THE ONE who did it for me,as she will with/for you. You might be trying to hide it, but you HAVE taken your first baby steps REMEMBER,and YOU HAVE STARTED AND YOU ARE AND CAN DO IT WITH ALL OUR HELP SUPPORT FAMILYS LOVE AND OF COURSE OUR EXTENDED LOVE FOR YOU!!!! I will look for YOUR friend and now you have HELPED ME!!Thank you. Maybe, but ONLY WHEN YOU ARE READY we might meet sometime at OSSIS.I would LOVE THAT, NO PRESSURE THOUGH OK!!

Anonymous said...

Some of my worst stuff was 20 years ago. I wish I could wrap my head around it right now but it is just to hard. I need some meetings with our mutual friend in hopes she can get me in the right direction. The place I am and how I am feeling with this is not good.

I thank you so much for your support, understanding, and extended care and love for me.

I am not sure I could of made it through this last few weeks. It is the worst time of my life with this.

I wish I had the inner strength to go tonight as I know how good it will do me. I just can't step out of my cocoon and be around a lot of people. For you, my OSSIS friend (angel) is going meet everyone at 6:40 at the front door. He is so special and I think you will really like him.

I also hope in the near future we might be able to meet. I would also love that. To see who has helped me through these very bad times during these very long last two weeks that have seemed like two years.

You don't put pressure on me so don't worry. I like the way your up front and honest. Like myself it is all talked about when we are ready just as our mutual friend said to me.

That goes for you also as I totally understand.

I hsve gotten so little sleep in the last two nights I am well beyond exhausted. If I don't get the energy to talk tonight have a good meeting. You will be in my heart as you step further in this journey of understanding.
I can totally relate to how difficult this is.

Anonymous said...

Ya know what I noticed today which is really nice. Just how much more attentive my husband is to how I am doing.
Although I have not shared anything other than I am having some problems, he is such a sweetheart.
There are no other people in this world more trusting than your family and closest friends. I am hoping with our mutual friends help I can talk to him more about it.
He deserves it.

That was my observation for today.

Anonymous said...

ANOTHER HUGE ACCOMPLISHMENT FOR YOU!!! Thats so very touching,hearing you say the word 'nice'!That word takes on a whole new meaning, and by that I mean every once in awhile I had a deja vous sort of thing when I was having a rough day, and this past winter it was outside shovelling,ya too much snow, but, my youngest was outside playing, and light snow was falling, and I stopped, and it was SO PEACEFUL!!and it was like a bit of happiness for a moment that I wanted to hold onto.We all have different 'moments' and I'm so glad your hubby made a difference, and you saw that, and he DOES care, and he just showed you, and by the sounds of it, I can picture a smile came to you also??HOPEFULLY, YA IT DID I KNOW IT DID!Cherrish all these small moments, that are really BIG,and you WILL HAVE MORE I PROMISE YOU!!You put a big smile on my face hearing this great news!And you two WILL talk more, at your pace, as I did, eventually.I started slowly, and just by saying a simple "I'm having a bad day" but that got me a hug, I cried,and cried, BUT she knew I was trying.Maybe you too might be able to try this??Share your 'nice' observation with him, and he'll smile for you also!Larry

Anonymous said...

So how did your meeting go. Did you feel anxious going or was it a comforting environment.

Did you meet my friend?

Do you still have bad days with this or do you find you have gotten over it?

Anonymous said...

Got to meeting, and I was very scared in that I didn't know what to expect.What I mean by this is, I HAVE SO MUCH RESPECT and hold soldiers who serve protect etc in such HIGH ESTEEM and to me YOU are MY HEROES and that is why earlier on when I wrote you back that YOU HAVE TO SHOULD BE AND NEVER FORGET that YOU SERVED and HELPED PROTECT people ordinary people like me that's why YOU STAY PROUD OF WHAT YOU HAVE DONE BECAUSE YOU ARE MY HEROES!!!and I have said that from the start of my therapy when an OSSIS member who I was put in touch with that was seeing our mutual friend as we are now HELPED ME!!People like us, we're alike in that we serve protect people. To my knowledge,since there are only 7 other firefighters in ont. to have been treated like me,I was priviledged enough to have been connected with OSSIS because of our mutual friend so I'm stepping into unknown territory as in this is a first annd I didn't know if it was right for me to venture into your OSSIS. Hope this makes sense. I got to go to work, but I HAVE to explain more tonight when I get home okay?? Yes I met your friend, and now YOU HAVE HELPED ME ALSO, and now I can say our mutual friend also. Your friend was GREAT and helped me so much by making me feel easier, belonging,caring,supportive and the people I met ARE SO SO FANTASTIC words cannot do any justice to how GOOD they are and it is SO NICE to BELONG. Larry Now I really gotta go to work or i'll be late cause I could write forever, talk to you tonight if I may??Larry KEEP YOUR CHIN UP YOU ARE DOING GREAT REMEMBER THAT OKAY!

Anonymous said...

Hey my friend. It was nice to hear back from you and how great it went at the meeting. I look forward to reading more tonight. I hope I can join you soon, as I know that this is a great support system. Wanted to ask you a question about it though.
After going to the meeting last night, if you were at the beginning of all this (and remember how you felt) would you recommend going to this meeting or would it have been to hard to start with.

Not too chatty again as I have had a few rough days. A few meltdowns that forced me to call the number you reminded me about a while back. Thx. They were better on the phone this time and knew what I was talking about.

Boy this is not fun Larry. Terribly painful and I just want to move on.

Anonymous said...

Ya Know Larry, I think it is great that you share such a great respect for the military members as they protect the very existence of our freedom.

I also think it is important for you to understand just how much we appreciate what you are doing daily in your job. Your the one to put your life on the line for those you don't even know.
You should be very proud of what you do, and I am so thankful for every firefighter who dedicates their life to help others.

You have every right to be at the meeting that are attending.
It does not matter what we do in our job, it is that we are all people and that is whats most important.

Like you said before, we all have the same thing it is just caused by different things we have seen.

Anonymous said...

If I had a support group such as you have in OSSIS I would've gone in a second.You have caring, wonderful people that know and you can totally relate to.You would do well to go. Just being in the same room with others who share so much in common with you is worth it.Please do your best to go, you won't regret it.I have nothing where I am,except denial from upper echelon, and no support.And I'm glad you called your friend, they will be helpful for you, please use them. Larry

Anonymous said...

Thanks for your input. I hear where you are coming from in the lack of support and you don't deserve it.

I hope you feel you can go back to the meetings. I will commit to going on the 8th Oct in hopes of maybe meeting my friend on the other end.
It will be huge for me to step through the doors though as well it was for you.
You were going to fill me in on more.

Anonymous said...

You said, "hey my friend",and remember I talked about the 'little moments' you get every once in awhile, well you just gave me one by saying that.I appreciate it. Oct 8th meeting would be great for you as I said because your friend, and others who were there will give you such a feeling of,and i'll try to explain,unconditional love, belonging,acceptance,caring,understanding, like they "get it" cause they know,they REALLY "KNOW" and it's a common bond of really understanding and able to relate. That really means SO much.It will be huge for you as you say, but it's SO worth it. Your friend came up to me,and walked with me and made sure I was ok and it was good.When you meet your friend,your friend will help you every step of the way, and you will be at 'home'.Larry

Anonymous said...

So you did not answer my question as to whether you will be going on the 8th.
Your words seem fewer tonight. Do you have things on your mind from last night or are you bothered by the lack of support that you have from work.
If I am out of line by asking just let me know.

Anonymous said...

A thought or epiphany hit me.After going to OSSIS last night, and feeling, seeing the 'warmth'that is there amongst your comrades,you just gotta take a leap of faith,sometime, no pressure though,and go.You are 'wanted' there,and it does make a difference, you will see, it's a good place. Larry

Anonymous said...

I trust you and what you say, and I will be going that day. You are so much further than I am in the process and it is good to talk to someone who has been through it. I listen to what you went through and it is just like how I am feeling.
I know you said it was different for everyone, but how long before you did not feel that pain anymore. I need that quick fix.

Anonymous said...

I'm So SORRY! I'm a scatterbrain 2nite, had an incident at work lets say, not nice.Anyway, I just re read about the 8th, and I thought you meant you were talking about the person from OSSIS whom you might have talked with and was going to meet you on the 8th.So I re read again,and do you mean me? Larry

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately you can't get a quick fix. It's hard work in therapy, but look at it this way maybe. You have many things really going for you. YOU ARE BRAVE AND COURAGOUS, Your hubby, kids, our mutual friend, your friend at OSSIS that you called, the people at OSSIS meeting, and me.Looks like you have alot of support and people on your side. Larry

Anonymous said...

How are you doing handling the incident and do you have anyone to share how you are feeling about that.

Yes, I meant you

More friends the better life is.
It makes the mountains that we must conquer seem like nothing.
You do belong.

Anonymous said...

Yes and I am so thankful for all that support. I am not sure I could get through this right now without your support and all those that you said.
I just never realized how bad it could feel. when I talk like that does it bother you or remind you of how you felt because I never want to make you to feel bad again.

Anonymous said...

NOTHING would make me happier than to meet you. I do not in anyway want you to feel any pressure, or anything like that to go though. I am only trying to help with truly honest answersand helpful advice. Do it for YOU when you are ready! Ok.I'm sorry but I need to go as I need to decompress after today, and I think you know what I'm talking about. How bout we chat friday, I'm off shift so I'll check in on you in morning,and thanks for your concern, I'll be fine, YOU try to rest,get some love strength from your hubby and kids. Larry

Anonymous said...

Doesn't bother me at all ok! No worries! And ya, it will feel pretty bad like you are saying, feeling, BUT REMEMBER THAT LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL!!!!It's there, and ALL OF US are going to help you walk right towards it, and FIND YOUR HOPE AGAIN! Sound good? You can do this.

Anonymous said...

Sounds good my friend Take care

Anonymous said...

Also, remember, YOU are the one with the strength, will etc. to find your HOPE, give yourself ALOT of credit please, and as I said, your family who love you dearly, as do all of us will hold your hand and help and guide you all the way. Larry

Anonymous said...

Now go and take care of yourself. That is so important.
I am working tomorrow so I won't be able to chat until the evening.
My highlight of the day is a hotdog at Costco for supper with my husband. I am a cheap date and stop laughing.
By the way, I am going to the meeting. I need to start realizing that I can't do this alone. It would be nice to someday meet you also when you are ready.

Anonymous said...

No comment on the cheap date? How come?OK then, but next time watch out.LOL I am so PROUD of you for deciding to allow all of the people who want and can help you,stand with you and support you and give you added strength to get through this, and we'll all be with you when you reach that "light at the end of the tunnel"It's there,never forget pls.

Anonymous said...

I see no way out right now Larry. I need that help as all my coping skills are not working. It is now affecting every part of my life and I have realized in the last couple of weeks I can't do it alone. I know I will see that light as I hear what you are saying and you have come such a long way.
Thanks Larry.

Anonymous said...

And there's no shame in asking for,nor receiving the help you deserve to allow you to regain your life.This is just another coping skill that you can use,as well as many more they can offer from their personal experiences, as well as our personal friend who will also teach you. Education is paramount in this journey.I cannot say this enough.Embrace all that you can that is there for you,and you say you know the lights there, which is so very true. Larry

Anonymous said...

As for your concern for me also with regards to my 'incident'yesterday, I appreciate it so much. You see, this is exactly the caring etc. that you will receive and be shown at the meeting.I as I said, know my limitations, and I have already called our mutual friend to see her cause I know I need,want,have to make that call right away,anytime I have a problem brewing.She's there for us,and that's so comforting to me.

Anonymous said...

Glad to hear you called our mutual friend. I know how important it is now as I should of done it along time ago. I was to stubborn and kept telling myself I could do this on my own.
I waited to long now and it is driving me crazy.
Hope your day is going better though.
I understand your difficulty.

Anonymous said...

Ya and I wrote about this also, cause we all think we can do it, or prey that we can, or it'll go away, and well you know.So,you can't change it, BUT you are doing all the right stuff now, remember??You've got all this support systems,mechanisms etc. to help and they/we will!You have made soo many great choices, congradulate yourself, stay positive even though you go up and down all day as I did.It's normal ok.You are no different than us who have lived it before you, you're doing great!Have a great romantic dinner 2nite with your hubby ok and enjoy each others company, THATS IMPORTANT for you both. Larry

Anonymous said...

Is there anything that I could write about on sunday that would help you? Anything you'd like to know, and if I can I'll write or incorporate it.Let me know, Larry

Anonymous said...

Maybe if I talk a little about how I feel since I am at the beginning it may give you an idea.

I feel it is such a silent problem. A person can be proceeding through their day and the next thing you know your overcome with what we have seen in the past by one vision.
I find the loneliness difficult. I live amongst friends and family that still do not know what I suffer with or what it is like. I know we have support available, but accepting that we need the help is the biggest challenge.
How we live as a person on the outside with something hidden inside. Not good I know.

I also find the nightmares overwhelming. How did you handle that.

Or something I picked up from you this week. With your 2nd shift you had your incident. How important it is to continue with therapy and realize when you need to go back.
I don't know if that gives you any ideas. Maybe I am out to lunch.

Anonymous said...

Na you're not out to lunch, but I hope your date with hubby was great! Lots of ideas there and as I said from the beginning when I started this to help others,I'm an open book so ask away, keep your ideas coming for how I can help by telling you what I went through etc. as I have found, as will you I think, that we share so very much in common with PTSD and symptoms, feelings etc. So, if I may ask, how ya doin, n your date with hubby was great company for you I'm sure. Larry

Anonymous said...

My date was great. We shared our hot dog at Costco and a great time to talk.
Ya Know Larry, my husband is a first responder as well. He works shifts and I do not get a lot of time with him.
Did you go into hibernation during your bad times?
Do you think there is a difference between men and woman and how we handle this and the things we have seen? Or maybe it is just our personality. I wondered why I got this and others did not. Is it because i am a sensitive person.

Do you find it hard to talk to others like our mutual friend? I am a shy person and talking does not come easy in front of others. What did you avoid when you were at your worst?
Did you ever worry that your wife might not be accepting of what was going on. Maybe not understand. I do.
Do you tell your wife how you are feeling and does she understand more now? I don't now.

I just wish I felt better. I feel really sad all the time. A combination of no sleep and exhaustion, sadness and nightmares that are overwhelming.
Ok I got carried away with the questions. You can tell I have not had a lot of time to understand this. I only understand what our mutual friend has shared with me and what I have talked with you about.

Anonymous said...

No worries. It'll take time to answer all, but would you mind if I wrote about some of those questions as I couldn't do justice to answer properly with the details that need to be told.The education you receive is very important, as it will help you in therapy to recognize things that are happening in daily life.I'm so shy it's scary.BUT our mutual friend is good and will help you feel at ease.I never talked till I was with her.How about me writing lots on sunday for you? that doesn't mean I don't want to talk tonight to you if you want though, but you've inspired me again. Larry

Anonymous said...

That sounds great. Ya know Larry, you don't have to write lots if you do not feel like it. A little or lots is all such great information for me. I appreciate what you are doing.
Your right I don't know why I am feeling like this and why it is so intense.

Anonymous said...

So, and I'm being funny here with the way I ask you, but, do we have a date for the 8th meeting?no pressure though ok. larry

Anonymous said...

Regarding intense feelings, this is normal too, as you will be taught, it's you brains reaction to not having 'processed', our friends term, what you have experienced. For protection, preservation, it blocks it,and thus the nightmares until you deal with it. Not the proper technical jargon though. Larry

Anonymous said...

And hubbys first responder too cool.Take a look if you can then, at how much more of a strong, understanding support person who CAN AND WILL understand, and support you, I just know it.You have a wonderful person who will be able to relate.Try your best to allow him to know when ur having a rough day as I call em.Larry

Anonymous said...

Yes, we do. I must accept the help that is there for me. I know I can't do this on my own anymore. I will be there on the 8th.
I just hope I can walk through the door.
I know I am blocking things so that is why it is so intense. I am so afraid to start the process with our mutual friend. I just hope it is not to much.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, I can't do that. I am quit ashamed and embarrassed that this is happening. I wish I could control it, but now I understand why I have these feelings. I have not processed my nightmares.

Anonymous said...

Sorry but what do yoou mean Ican't do that? Not sure what you mean or with regards to? Larry

Anonymous said...

I'm so happy that you are going on the 8th, and I'll carry you "over the threshold" so to speak, thru the doors, to a very caring place, caring people, you'll see.
Embarressed,shame, we ALL have it,so it's normal, as are you, and what you are experiencing. It's not just you, ok,so we all REALLY KNOW AND UNDERSTAND!You're not alone, nor will you ever be, ok.Larry

Anonymous said...

I am not ready to share my bad days with my husband. I feel he already has a lot on his plate with his job.I do not have a lot of good days and feel that i would burden him with my stuff.
Then I wonder if it is just me avoiding what I need to deal with.
Not sure though

Anonymous said...

What I mean by sharing is this.I had to learn also, you don't share the nasty parts, all you have to do is say to him, I'm having a hard time,or whatever you choose to say, and then get a hug from him, cry, DO NOT BE SCARED ,SHAMEFUL because I bet he is dying to help you.Baby steps, because your whole family is going through this with you, but in different ways for each of them. larry

Anonymous said...

I will feel a little more at ease knowing you are going. It will be neat to meet you. I just hope I can keep it together. I am afraid they might talk about something that I can't handle. Way to emotional right now with everything.
I am not from this city so i hope I can find this place.

Anonymous said...

It brings me to tears just thinking about doing it. I just can't do that right now.

Anonymous said...

I can guaranttee you that I will be in tears when I meet you, okay! Don't worry, and thats okay, and it will be really neat to meet you also.You needn't worry about someone saying something to upset you because there are rules, and one of them is that all you have to say is the word STOP and thats it. Thats the beauty of this, WE ALL RESPECT EACH OTHERS FEELINGS BECAUSE WE KNOW! Does this help you?

Anonymous said...

I'll help you with directions, but your friend will also help with this.You have to give him a call, he'll explain things, and put you at ease.Pls try to take a few deep breaths now, as I can feel you are anxious, I think, cause you're getting ahead of yourself worrying about directions.We'll help you ok, no worries, deep breaths ok.

Anonymous said...

yes, that helps but I am so new at this. I have not dealt with anything. I don't even know what is happening to me. It is like I have all these puzzle pieces that I have learned and I have not put them together.
My brain is all messed up. I meet with our mutual friend on the 8th as well.

Anonymous said...

Maybe you should try to get some rest now? We can talk more when you'd like.

Anonymous said...

I know, it's like no control, out of control, confusion etc.I'm glad you're meeting your friend on 8th. Perfect, good for you larry Would you like to try and rest or?? larry

Anonymous said...

I will call him. won't think about it tonight. do you think anxiety is a feeling you can control. Do you find now that you still get anxious after all that you have learned?

Anonymous said...

I will go and rest and do some reading.

Thanks for chatting. Hope i helped with your topic for Sunday.
Full of questions eh.

Anonymous said...

Oh Ya, but I must explain a bit, mine is a little complicated and I'm not even sure how to say it. I guess my fear/anxiety now that I live with, is I'm one call away from,??? and I'll never know when, or if, or???I just don't know, but I try not to worry. larry

Anonymous said...

Okay, get some rest, readings good,try to relax,and would you like to chat sat. if you like? let me know.larry

Anonymous said...

questions are good though, as I know how many I had, thousands, fears on ya, but this is a big reason why I am determined to help like this, because I HOPE and know that it will help others by being like an open book,a source of reference,answering questions etc. makes sense to me,larry

Anonymous said...

Up since 5:30. How ridiculous is that on a weekend. I will look forward to when I can sleep 8 hours. Got my run done though.
I will leave the answer to you today as to whether you feel like chatting. You have to put a lot of time and your feelings into writing tomorrows blog.

Anonymous said...

Absolutely I'd like to chat! I'm here to help,ok.I got ya beat though, up since 2 30.Ha. but this aint a competition LOL Good that you got the run in, it'll help you.I'll keep checking in and we can arrange a time to chat thats convenient for both of us, sound ok??Larry

Anonymous said...

Not a good night which means not in a good place today. Have to keep extremely busy around the house. Already feel bad as I told my hubby I could not go out for lunch. I ask if he would not mind picking my daughter up so I did not have to go out. He is a sweetheart as per norm and said yes.
What were your avoidance skills?

Anonymous said...

First off,you did something SO IMPORTANT and you need to know and realize this. Let me explain.YOU TOLD YOUR HUBBY! HUGE! Congrads!You SHARED!You let him in on helping you by telling him as I always say to my wife 'Not having a good time".This allows our mates to feel,and be part of supporting you, that they are helping, and you are enabling them to help.Just by picking up your daughter, you don't know how important this will mean to hubby ok.Do you see what I mean?You didn't and don't have to include details,just 'bad day', says it all, and everyone understands.And down the road, you will learn how to expand,baby steps ok. I'm so PROUD OF YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENT!As is YOUR FAMILY I KNOW!lARRY

Anonymous said...

Here's a heads up for you. I'm taking an unusual step of also writing today as I MUST say something relevant/important,as somethings going to happen shortly,bout a week, but can't say anymore now,and everyone who is reading will understand soon. larry

Anonymous said...

I know you're keepin busy, so I'll check back about noon as I'm going to start writing to put it out today as I was saying, larry

Anonymous said...

I will not take your congrats because I did not tell him I was having a bad day. i only ask him if he would not mind picking our daughter up. I told him I was busy around the house. I know that is not what you wanted to hear but that is where I am right now.
It is all inside. So is this thing that is going to happen going to affect where you are right now or your life and are you and your family going to be ok.
Don't answer if your not comfortable.

Anonymous said...

Hopefully you're restin. Anyway, I'm going to get my boat out of water, couple hrs away,back on sunday but I got internet down there if it works??? so, I'll check back approx 6p.m. sat.Let me know if you get this and how you are.I know what you're feeling,it's hard, but it WILL get better,trust me.larry

Anonymous said...

You're there. Hey, take the congrats please, because as I say, I know my limitations, and when I can't couldn't do something, I learned how to slowly start asking for help,as you did.So, take it as one of many victory's ok! It is.larry

Anonymous said...

As for whats going on, it's huge, and I'll be seeing our mutual friend lots, I already know, made that call already.I don't mind talking bout it, BUT we're taking care of you and thats the priority, ok, all in good time.Maybe I can share a bit at the meeting??,we'll see. I'll be fine, no worries bout me OK PLEASE!

Anonymous said...

I got about half an hr b4 i head out, so I got time to chat, only if youd like though.larry

Anonymous said...

We are actually both learning from this my friend. So I get as much from you that you hopefully get from me. Where you don't want to be. By listening to me must give you deja vu
Ya know what I have been thinking the last few days. I never wanted to talk to anyone that was not military. I always felt that unless you were military and in those situations you would never understand.
I have learned through only one visit with our mutual friend and yourself it does not matter. It is just bad stuff in a different job that all comes out in the spin cycle the same way.
Screwed up

Anonymous said...

I will see if you are on at 6

Anonymous said...

Bravo! And yes I'm in a deja vous state, because we all go through it, and since I've been there, I can see you progressing through steps, going thru stuff,"damn feelings" as I call em, because it's a constant effort still to deal with feelings for me.Ya we're all in the job of 'protectors' lets say, so we DO have a common bond, but you're right about it can come from anywhere, job, each of us is different, but with the same PTSD.larry

Anonymous said...

Ok Larry. You do not need to write back tonight. I know you are taking your boat out of the water. So enjoy your night. Take a break from your computer. It is important to have down time for you.

We can talk tomorrow when you feel like it.

Anonymous said...

Hey, if ya want, I'll check at 6 it's 4 50 now, all done, so let me know, I'll be writing and checking to chat if ya like k and no worries bout downtime, larry

Anonymous said...

Not sure it is such a good night to chat. You know those intense feelings. Well it was not a good day. I know it is avoidance, but that is the only way for me to deal with it right now.
Sorry

Anonymous said...

Don't be sorry, its what happens, and now it's time for you to take care of yourself, ok. Get some rest, do what you have to do, larry