Sunday, September 28, 2008

FirefightersStory-Trying to Protect My Family

As does everyone, I would do anything to protect my family. As I was taught, and had to learn though, by trying to protect my family from what I was going through with PTSD and other related symptoms, I was actually causing them more harm. This was a very tough lesson for me to learn though, and even though my psychologist explained this to me, many times, I still showed up in therapy with stories of ways that I hid what I was going through. Then, of course, she would patiently explain it to me, again, and again, to make me think, show me the reasons why I shouldn't hide what I was going through and feeling, in the hopes I would understand. This would be repeated to me for many many months.
I had a severe fear, and problem with "feelings" and dealing with and accepting them. I was totally numb to any and all feelings when I entered therapy. It was part of many years of numbing them, in order to survive and continue firefighting and living. This just happened, it was automatic, and I didn't have to try to do any of this, it was just my brains reaction I suppose to survive whatever I had seen and been through for many years as a firefighter.
My thinking was that if I tried to hide what I was feelling and going through, then everybody would think that I was okay, and things were normal. For years though, in my gradual decline, and denial, I thought I was doing a good job of trying to cover things up, so as not to worry my family, but also to protect them. I didn't realize just how much I had changed though, nevermind the inside, but on the outside. Nobody said anything though, or if they did, it wasn't to my knowledge. As I look back now though, things couldn't have been more obvious to all, and the only person that thought I was succeeding in covering things up so as to look and act 'normal', was me.
I'll just talk about one thing that I hid from my family, and everyone for that matter. Rather, I should say I 'thought' I hid from my family.
Endless tears, and crying uncontrollably. Yes, I'm not too proud now to say that I spent most days in neverending tears. I had deteriorated emotionally and was truly in a very 'fragile' state of mind.
I did everything in my power to hide my tears. I ran and hid at from my family at home, as well as having to have many strategies for hiding my many breakdowns at work. Obviously when at work, there were many other obvious risks I took with regards to getting 'caught' and suffering extreme embaressment. What the hell would you say to a bunch of macho tough firefighters who weren't suppose to cry, or in reality, be human.
I had so many ups and downs throughout the day, and it wouldn't be unusual for me to have upwards of probably between fifteen to twenty episodes of crying per day during my worst times. They obviously weren't all at home, but out in public places.
I did everything I could to avoid going out in public for fear of breaking down into tears. I had withdrew from venturing out as much as possible, and avoided any public contact with people as best I could. When forced to go out, to say get food, I always had to be ready to run out of the store and somehow avoid people who would see my tears. Quite the feeling as you could imagine.
At work, I had to find places to hide from my guys in order to hide when the tears flowed freely.
These episodes also came out of nowhere, blindsiding me as I say. For no particular reason, there they were.
At home, I would spend a great deal of time either running outside so my family wouldn't see me in tears, or as all too often would happen,trying to be as quiet as I could at night in bed, not sleeping, and crying uncontrollably into my pillow.
The most important lesson she (my psychologist) taught me was to share, share and share some more with my family. These were the people who were closest to me, yet I was keeping them as far away from me as possible. They were there to support me, as well as needing support themselves. In order for my family to help me, I had to allow them to 'know' what I was feeling and going through. If I didn't allow them in, to my world, and what was happening, then how or who was I expecting to give me support and allow me to try and focus on "my job" of working hard in therapy, in order to survive and find "my HOPE" in life. Therapy and my 'fight' took every ounce of energy I had, what little I had by now. So, it was explained, again and again to me, that by allowing my family to help with the little things, so I could fight the 'big things', they would be part of the solution. This would mean that some of THEIR fears would be allowed to be addressed also, as they were all going "to hell and back" with me. If I was scared and didn't understand what was going on, and what the outcome would be, try to think how NOT letting those closest to you, your family, to stand by helplessly by the sidelines and watch the 'self-destruction' of their complete family unit.
I know and realize it is one thing for me to say to others to try their best to allow their loved ones to help them, but I am talking from experience, and am hoping that by passing on this experience, it will help others to move forward faster on their own road to recovery during therapy and will find their own "light at the end of the tunnel", it IS there, trust me, and to find their own personal HOPE, which is the beginning of their own personal dreams and aspirations.
YOU CAN DO IT, I know you can. Continue to be BRAVE and COURAGEOUS as I know you are.
Thanks, Larry

135 comments:

Anonymous said...

Wow, were you a fly on my wall this weekend. Definitely protecting my family, but I also feel ashamed of what is happening.
I don't know why I am causing more harm to my family when I hide everything. They do not know.
I also feel numb in how I feel. I am exhausted with fighting it. Although I know there is a problem I have trouble facing it. Nothing is obvious to me. Other than I feel very sad and don't want to go out. I feel beat down and it has taken over my life.
It is beyond painful. I am understanding of what you say larry and I hope in the future I can understand, but I don't right now. I did not see much of the light this weekend.
I work days tomorrow and know I will struggle to go after these few days.
Thanks for your blog. It was so good

Anonymous said...

i can talk again tomorrow around 4 if you would like.

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Anonymous said...

Had to add this, re;"fly on the wall..."You just reinforced WHY I am doing this, because I was able to write in order to try to relate what I went through to what you 'might' be feeling at the stage so to speak of where you are and what you are going through. Its so humbling that I can try to help with the idea of relating to others,and using my experiences in order to allay a bit of fears questions uncertainty's in others lives and minds so they are not alone. larry

Anonymous said...

You say they don't know, BUT, I'm sort of thinking they just might. Let me explain. I completely changed, wasn't who I use to be, and although as I wrote, I THOUGHT I was hiding it well, my family knew, and I don't mean the 'messy details' but trust me they know but are also afraid, wondering,etc but don't know what to say or how to help and proceed.They don't want to say or do anything wrong so to speak with regards to hurting you or causing you any more hurt. Might this be?? Maybe ponder what I'm saying, and read sundays writing about protecting my family andsee if you can put the two in context and you'll see the bigger overall picture and how the whole family ends up in a vicious circle, Communication/honesty is so important.You can do it, slowly ok, let hubby in please, a little at a time,for support. larry

Anonymous said...

I said uptop I would be on at 4 to chat with you but removed it as my littlest girl has her first touch football game but I'll be on at 6 to chat if you'd like, let me know. In the meantime I'll answer you questions with "the park bench etc on thst posting down below, and the rest on this part of the writing. larry

Anonymous said...

Six sounds good. I totally understand what you are saying and the importance of it, but I can't talk to my hubby right now. He will never understand.
Or maybe he will and it is because I am having trouble dealing with it all myself right now. I feel my coping skills are 0 and anything mentioned about why I was up in the night or what my nightmare was about I am in tears. So to talk to anyone right now probably is not a good idea.
So the big question I have for you today is, after your therapy was finished were your nightmares totally gone.
I will chat again at 6 and I am ready to hear about the park bench. I know I need a park bench to dump all this on so I don't have to fight it anymore.
You know what I find. I know I am a different person at work. Short tempered and no patience and boy I hate that person.

Anonymous said...

First off, the answer to my nightmares going away is YES THEY ARE GONE!!!You too will get there with our mutual friends help guidance.Thats what exposure therapy does,you allow your brain to process details, but remember, no sugarcoating here, IT IS VERY HARD WORK BUT YOU GET YOUR NEW LIFE STARTED!
Hubby WILL understand,and your thinking reasoning that because you are having trouble dealing with it now,coping etc.that he won't understand, but you are wrong, please please believe trust me in this.Baby steps ok.Try thinking about this.If you let him in a tiny bit, say you're having some problems, or whatever you feel comfortable with, no messy details remember, and no more details, thats all, I KNOW that he'll understand,be there as always, support you, and as did my wife with me, just gave me a hug while I cried, as he will with you, and that's all thats necessary to start with??Would that not make you feel better, in that you're not going to scare him with messy stuff, but you are allowing him to help you, as well as an important feeling for him, which is you are allowing him to help you, be there for you,and he will feel part of the solution and part of your healing etc.??Make sense? He is probably feeling that some things are out of control as you are feeling also?? Don't know if you had a chance to read my reply in comments section with regards to the 'park bench', it's in the comments section in the other story I wrote yesterday. Pls read it, and maybe you will understand more about what I was saying. Let me know, and I'll be back on shortly after 6. larry

Anonymous said...

That is good to know about the nightmares. Don't like the thought of exposure therapy idea, know that will be painful.
I do not like the idea of opening up that part of the book. It has been locked for a long time.

I totally understand where you are coming from, but Larry I am not there yet with sharing this. I could hardly talk to our mutual friend about everyday things.

Do you remember awhile back when you spoke of writing in a book.
I thought I would write what I wrote on the weekend as I know where I need to be.
Part of this is from a song that I often listen to while I am running.
It was midnight and I was running. How psychotic, and unsafe.

What is it that I need to do to move on with the rest of my life.
What has to happen
I know its going to have to hurt
I know I am going to have to cry.
I must let go of things to get to the other side
I know its going to break me down
In order for me to move on with the rest of my life.

I know there’s a blue horizon
Somewhere up ahead just waiting for me
Getting there means leaving things behind.
Learning to trust
Learning to give in.

yes, I am still writing. Not so pretty sometimes.
I wanted to tell you how glad I am that I listened to our mutual friend to look on your blog.

Anonymous said...

I read your other story about the park bench and I will trust you and not ask our mutual friend.

I will wait for your word as to when you feel I should ask.I don't want to deal with something I am not ready to yet.

Anonymous said...

Wow, that's very true, prophetic,inspirational, and I know,difficult. It all will be worth it though, you will see.
Back to the sharing part.PLEASE do not think I am pushing you at all, please.Babysteps please, you have done so well so far, you are talking to me, and I'm so honored,happy and will always be right here, for you to help in anyway with support, and as for the questions, I'm an open book to you ok, don't forget please.
I am truly humbled and honored,glad that you trust me enough to talk on the blog,as I really want to help.
Did you read the other entry I wrote yesterday in the comments section that I tried to answer your other questions there?Did that help at all?

Anonymous said...

It all helps and yes I read everything you write. I am having a really difficult time right now. So the time you have spent writing and telling me how you felt during this has been a saviour.
I am one big bag of tears that could make a river.
I sent my reply back to our mutual friend to attend the meeting on the 8th saying I would go. So I can't cope out now.
I have mastered the art of avoidance and I know it.

Anonymous said...

Maybe my chiefs might eventually get the message, do the RIGHT thing for my guys/girls,sacrafice myself, NOT TO BE RECOGNIZED,but because it's the right thing t do for MY guys/girls, but by that time, I'll BE on that bench talking to our mutual friend again, needing her help, and I know it will definitely happen, BUT, it's the right thing to do, as did the Gen. for his soldiers.
larry

Royal Ottawa said...

You won't regret it, and we'll all be there to help you, as everyone helps everyone.Plus I will get to meet my good friend on the other end. I MUST ask you this though.IF it's going to be too difficult for you to meet or have me there or whatever, please say so, you must be free to go without any extra worry about meeting me. larry

Anonymous said...

Oops, pushed the stupid button instead of my name for above comment

Anonymous said...

I understand your frustration. Do you feel they are not supportive of what is happening? Is there a lack of understanding on their part. It is great that you are standing up for your fellow friends as I would also, but make sure when your doing that you don't loose where you are and forget to take care of yourself. That is what I do all the time. If you are a caregiver, that is the way it ends up. Thats our personality

Anonymous said...

Tears, there's nothing wrong with tears, no shame,no embarressment, ok, its a difficult emotional time, I know. larry

Anonymous said...

They are in total denial, but I expected nothing less. Enough about methou, just wanted you to know where the parkbench reference came from, but our mutual friend will be able to explain, BUT NOT NOW, as you have agreed, it's not time now. Enough bout me how else may I help, what would you like to talk about, or you let me know if it's too hard and aren't chatty ok. larry

Anonymous said...

Are you kidding. Slap yourself. I am looking forward to meeting you.

Remember how you felt when you started this process. Everything was difficult. I have to do this. I have to stop avoiding everything including talking to our mutual friend.
Like I said before, it is the friends that we meet in life that will allow the mountains that we must climb not be any challenge at all.

I was in the military along time and shared great friendships with my closest guy friends. They are like my brothers. All married with kids and we will be forever friends. I rarely see them but know at any time I can call them.

Anonymous said...

Thats touching, and I'm glad as I so want to meet you also!I just do not want any extra pressure on you because it's more important to be with, meet your fellow members at OSSIS. larry

Anonymous said...

Do you know what I did today? I am normally great at multitasking at work, able to accomplish tons at once. Today my boss came out 3 times for the same thing I had not done. Am I feeling a little overwhelmed.
I have a two hour interview on Thurs and boy am I nervous. I can't get my thought process in gear. Too tired, I guess.
You are right about one thing. I have definitely changed outside with my friends. I have not seen some of my girlfriends in months. Hibernating is more comfortable.

Royal Ottawa said...

Yup, know the feeling well.Remember me being the 'scatterbrain' and going to get grocery's, couldn't figure out anything, indecision. My wife would say something, and literally 5 sec. later I'd be asking "What?" drove her nuts. You'll be fine in interview, nervousness is the bodys way of getting ready, ok, nothing more, have confidence in yourself. Easy for me to say I know, but I know you can do anything, as you've already taken so many big steps, some of which you don't even realize how big. larry

Anonymous said...

Oh my, did it again ,scatterbrain again! HA! larry

Anonymous said...

I will find it very difficult going into that room and I won't be able to talk at all. You know what I am like because you and I have chatted lots on this blog, in front of others I will be quiet.
A watcher and listener to start.

When I am able to put this crap away (PTSD) I am a different person. I keep waiting for that to happen. It still bothers me that I can't get through it this time. I have been able to do it for so long. I am still trying and waiting to see if it will go away again.

Anonymous said...

I did that also. But you can do that,thats the beauty of the meeting, talk if you want, if not, no big deal.You have to try to not let it bother you that you can't put it away, shut it down as I said.It's a signal, it's time to take care of yourself, and this is what you're doing, GREAT DECISION.If you've started though, why stop? Remember avoidance, denial.It stops working.You will see at the end of this journey its the best smartest decision you can make. larry

Anonymous said...

I take it you will be seeing our mutual friend again soon?

Anonymous said...

Everytime you hit that Royal Ottawa button it makes me cringe.
You know one thing. I have not talked to anyone about anything.
I have only talked to a few people. This psychologist who did the assessment, you and our two mutual friends. I have not got into detail with anyone.
I worry about the exposure therapy. What happens if I can't do that. Will I ever get rid of this

Anonymous said...

She is booked this week, but I emailed her if she could fit me in if she had a cancellation. I have not heard, but hopefully it works out. Not feeling the best.
I am going on the 8th if not

Anonymous said...

Sorry bout the royal button,again, please don't worry, you're anonymous ok.You can slap me aside the head when we meet for that one, ok? Yes, but look how you have talked to me, and thats a HUGE accomplishment in my books, as it should be in yours.Remember all the people who are supporting you to help you?We'll get you through this,ok!I'll hold your hand all the way through this with you, as I'm going to be there when you see your 'light'and that tunnel, ok! larry

Anonymous said...

Maybe I am not ready to deal with this yet. This time it has turned my whole life upside down.

Although very nervous I look forward to starting with our mutual friend. I hope so much she can help me like she has helped you. I am so tired of this.
As I am sure my family is as you said. i obviously don't see that right now but I hear it through you.

Anonymous said...

Perfect,more great decisions to take care of yourself.Your doing all the right things in order to help yourself with getting thru this 'crap'. larry

Anonymous said...

Do you have any guy friends that you talk to about this?

Anonymous said...

I don't talk to anyone of my girlfriends. I just think they would not understand. Yes, I know the other pychologist would say that was avoidance. In the end everything i was doing he told me that was what I was doing.
I wondered if he was right. But looking out of my window I could not tell, although it does make it easier for me.

Anonymous said...

Just a thought,with regards to not being ready as it has turned your life upside down,thats why you ARE dealing with it now.Something inside of you has clicked, as it did with me as I wrote, and you've already taken big steps,so give yourself credit please.My gut instinct KNOWS you're ready,and you're showing it by the great decisions,efforts you've already accomplished. Our mutual friend will be able to help you, she helped me, and I trusted her with my life, and she gave helped me get a new one larry

Anonymous said...

No,I lost all the friends I had,save for the guys at my old station who helped me, kept my secret.When I was off to get help, I was transferred out of that station,so I don't see them anymore.As I said, I'm the first in the dept. and thus alone, thats why you are so lucky to have OSSIS and your comrades who can relate and are familiar,and why it will be like a family for you, and you will feel great about going larry

Anonymous said...

Your probably right, I have very mixed emotions about it all. Screwed up to be exact. Fighting it all to long.

On one hand I really want to get help and feel so fortunate to have met our mutual friend and am anxious to start.

On the other hand I am afraid and scared of what is going to happen. I am afraid that everything is going to feel worse while I am doing this. I don't want to see it all again.

WEll my friend Do you mind if we close off for tonight. I am exhausted. Only two hours of sleep last night. Thanks for chatting. It is always great learning from you and having your reassurance.

Anonymous said...

Of course, you MUST take care of yourself, wwould you like to chat tomorrow, if so what time? larry

Anonymous said...

Ok can't leave you there. You are also part of the comrades at OSSIS so don't talk like they are not your family. Remember it is not me bringing you its you meeting me. That is how it works.

Whether in the field or at home we always took care of everyone. We share our box lunches when there were not enough and we took care of everyone whether military or civi.

One little bit of info. In Hondurus there was a little boy. A torn shirt, no shoes, and not a percentage of body fat on him. I had a box lunch everyday. When I was on compound I shared my box lunch through the fence. When I was away on the helicopter and unable to share he would ask constantly in an accent where I was. I adored him and cried silently when I would see him.
We should help and welcome everyone in life.
So never feel like your alone. Look how much you have helped me.
I have never spoken to anyone before this.

Anonymous said...

Is 5:30 or 6 good for you

Anonymous said...

6 is great for me, take care have a great day, talk tomorrow larry

Anonymous said...

Did you read the last note about belonging to the group.
Read above it is important

Anonymous said...

I did, and thanks, I do thank you for reminding me, and I DO feel very welcome and accepted at the meeting. I am out of my element there in that I am an outsider, and as you must appreciate, that this opens up a new set of challenges so to speak.The unknown,outsider, ya know.This is not to say though that I DID feel that this IS where I DO belong, as we all are protectors,common goals,and PTSD.larry

Anonymous said...

Thought I'd try something for you.As I go through the day, I'll write to you, with thoughts, ideas etc. to give you stuff to read at your leisure when you get home from work.I won't do this though until I have your permission though. Again, no pressure though.larry

Anonymous said...

I understand where you are coming from when you speak of your element. I would probably feel like that also walking into a room of firefighters. It is good that you realize you belong though

Anonymous said...

That sounds good. I am however having to take another day off. Yesterday was bad and before I say something bad with my lack of patience to someone I care about I took the day off.
Not good because I have a job that has no sick days.

Anonymous said...

It is weird Larry, I feel I need to be home away from the stress at work, yet can't stand the down time at home because there is to much time to think. I then become a train wreck.

Anonymous said...

Hi there, rough day eh? Well, I'm hoping you were able to get a little rest, and yes I know it's difficult. Most important is to take care of yourself. rainwreck, yup I used that term alot.It's a struggle with going between exhaustion, then you say, oh no gotya stay busy or the mind starts goin. This will take every ounce of energy you have, but again, you've started, so don't give up, ok pls. You can do it. larry

Anonymous said...

sleep is non existent. Yes, I am exhausted trying to keep busy. Fighting what I don't want to remember. I just want this to be done Larry. Had enough. I just wish it would give me a break. I'm tired of everything. Trying to put up a front in front of friends. Tonight there is a party to go to and you know where I will be. Not there. Then they will complain tomorrow why i did not come. I can't go.
Everyone looks after themselves don't they

Anonymous said...

Wanted to ask how you got hooked up with our mutual friend.
Does she work somewhere else than where we meet her

Anonymous said...

Party,Ya I completely withdrew, I guess it was over a period of oh god close to 10 yrs as I went down, and I would make up excuses, then as it got worse, my wife started covering up for me, then she wouldn't even ask me anymore and she would go without me.

Anonymous said...

Ponder this for me okay. You've started this process, made a huge first step in seeing our mutual friend, you're in the best place with her, as I said my other psychologist who had tried to help me for at least 10 yrs wasn't doing it, and you've opened this 'can of worms' so to speak, and its harder to shut it in the long run,trust me but please know and remember the light! it is there, and you can do this i know you can

Anonymous said...

As she said to me,why avoid? that wasn't working, right? and you've started, so why prolong?So I thought about it, and she was right.I hated where I was in life, and there was no alternative for me. I'll explain in a bit

Anonymous said...

So that is another normal thing that I am doing. Good to know. I am getting worse also.
Did you have a good day. You must have to work soon.
I heard back from our mutual friend at OSSIS. He was happy to hear I was coming to the next meeting.
I thought a lot about what you said happened to you at work with this. That is a real shame that you had noone to stand by your side for support. You know there are more people like yourself, they are probably to scared to speak up or feel like I did in that I felt I could always do this myself. Until the rock bottom hits and there is no control.

Anonymous said...

YES THIS IS NORMAL!for us.I'm watching you go thru everything I did.Unfortunately as I said, it will get worse in that you are dealing with it now as opposed to before,sorry no sugarcoating remember, BUT as I said, I know by talking that you are very determined. And thats another reason for me doing this, so that you can ask me anything and you WILL see that you are following a "pattern" as I went thru, but be reassured though that any questions, fears,wonderings etc. you have I will answer you from my experiences so I'm HOPING this will help to ease some of these feelings emotions you are experiencing. larry

Anonymous said...

I agree with you about avoidance. I just wish I could think another way. It is not in my power right now.
The problem is that I am at the beginning and I know no other way of dealing with this.
You know yourself that it is a pain like no other that you just can't get rid of. It affects every emotion.
I am sure I am repetitive, but when that is all I have known for so long that becomes my protection. I know your right and I wish I could change my thought but everything feels a little out of control right now.
I need to see our mutual friend more often.
Am I driving you crazy with me wanting to avoid. I can't help it and I believe that is the only way I have been able to get through life up to now.

Anonymous said...

EVERYONE will be very happy to see you at meeting! As for our mutual friend, all I can tell you is how I landed there. She can explain other places she works.What happened to me was my employer questioned/denied my other psychologists diagnosis as I was close to 10 yrs with big problems, and they finally said we don't believe you, he should be cured. Had to have independent 3rd party assessment by psychologists specializing in PTSD.I was off the scale, in bad shape, and was declared unfit for duty. I learned when they told me I was lets say so so so close to being declared um mentally incapacitated/not responsible and hospitalized to be stabilized asap. larry

Anonymous said...

PLEASE ARE NOT driving me crazy with the avoid etc.remember I've seen it done it so do not worry about it okay pls pls. I'm here to help you okay.

Anonymous said...

So what is the pattern you go through. It seems like I do things that are part of this and i only know when someone tells me. That is normal to me.
When I met our mutual friend from our meeting he watched where i sat and how I was. He pointed things out to me that I thought was normal. I sat with my back against the wall also scanning all the time.
I am glad you don't sugarcoat anything. I understand that you say it will get tougher. A little scared of that because of how I feel so bad now. Did you constantly want this to be over?
Did you change as a person when you went through this? In the end did your wife see you back to the same person she married.

Anonymous said...

Your ears must've been burning today as I was going to ask you tonight if you would consider seeing our mutual friend more often as you said she was booked, waiting for cancellation etc.
CONGRADULATIONS!! Another great decision/thought!

Anonymous said...

Consider this pls.This is what I ended up deciding, BUT this is me, not you so you decide with our mutual friends advice input ok. After I was stabilized which took a few months, and I KNEW there was no way I could make it more than a week without her, so I booked a weekly appt. all the way through therapy in advance. This way I knew all I had to do was somehow make it through a week, and as I called her, and still do, my safety blanket was waiting for me This kept me going. larry

Anonymous said...

I thought a lot last night about how my husband really sees me now. Am i withdrawn to him. Am I sad. Does he know I am crying all the time. I feel bad i can't talk to him. I thought a lot about what you said and I am hoping our mutual friend can help me with this. I am not being fair. The other psychologist said that is the way I am avoiding again.
As you can see our conversation brought out a lot of emotions.

Anonymous said...

Also remember too, that you will have our mutual friend to help you when things get tougher, and she's an angel, so remember she'll teach you also, as I am trying to give pieces of advice, and education is another huge part of this because it will help to explain things you're going through, and then when something happens and yu can go Oh ya, she said this would happen and it's because of this or that. It helps to reassure you that yup, she said this would/might happen. larry

Anonymous said...

Another great thing bout our mutual friend was she incorporated my wife to also educate her as to just what the hell was going on with me, when the time was appropriate though.This was a key. Then I was allowed to bring her whenever I wanted to, or if my wife needed help she could come in also. larry

Anonymous said...

None of my paperwork has come through for me to do this. I am kinda in holding. Our mutual friend from our meeting is trying to find out so I can get started.
It is a process that takes a while.

Anonymous said...

Eventually, when I was taught to let my wife be part of comforting me when I was in an all out cryfest,about 100 times a day, that I wasn't to run away as I had, but share it and allow her to feel part of helping me through it all. Helped to allay my wifes fears because then she wasn't going,OK just what do I say,do,or not say,do?That was very frustrating for her. larry

Anonymous said...

I was going to say that your friend from meeting can help with this.Does this mean that going to see our mutual friend is on hold for now, or more frequent??? if you want to tell me, if not thats ok larry

Anonymous said...

I do the same thing. I never cry infront of my hubby. Don't want him to see me hurting

Anonymous said...

Our mutual friend will see me, but needs ok to continue.
You have lots of experience I am sure with that.
Hope your not insulted Larry but I need to keep it short tonight. I am having such a rotten night.

Anonymous said...

Just a thought but maybe? he would welcome the opportunity to be able to help support you and be there to comfort you and give you a hug, and reassurance??It will work wonders for you you know.Another part of the shame, protecting everyone that we all do though, but pls maybe try?? it'll help both of you going forward in this journey, larry

Anonymous said...

I'm gettin good at knowing you I think, cause I was just going to tell you that you must be exhausted, and you need to take care of yourself, thats the priority and I know how emotionally draining even talking for a few minutes can be, so how bout you get some rest and if you want to you can tell me when you'd like me to be on tomorrow if you'd like to talk again larry

Anonymous said...

Sorry Larry, just a really bad time. Crying and writing does not work. I work all day tomorrow and I have to go to work. I am not sure. Just not thinking right now. Please don't take it personal.

Anonymous said...

No worries, and stop apologizing okay, I understand completely, remember, I've been there. How about I check on you at 6 tomorrow, if you want larry

Anonymous said...

Thanks for your understanding

Anonymous said...

Get some rest ok larry

Anonymous said...

Ya know one good point you made larry yesterday. I forget that during rough times and once I start with our mutual friend, she will be there to help me.
I am so use to fighting this and trying to get through it on my own that I forget that.

Anonymous said...

She will,and she will help in so many ways, education/understanding/comfort/plans/strategy's as well as as I said she's my security blanket as I call her and I STILL don't do anything without her guidance/input/reassurance.Plus you have the wonderful people at meeting and your mutual friend as you are using/meeting with, then eventually your hubby/kids and it all is a HUGE SUPPORT system for you to BE THERE for you every step of the way.larry

Anonymous said...

Well Larry it is taking me everything to stay at work today. I don't know why everything is so intense right now.
Everything is so out of control.
I am having trouble eating, thinking and functioning

Anonymous said...

I know, its all boiling up to the top, and it ate me alive also.Couldn't eat,think,sleep function etc and my mind was out of control so I'd go here,think I wanted to do whatever, and get there and nope, that wasn't working or I was a scatterbrain and couldn't figure anything out, breakdown into tears.You seem to be very good with your words,might you be open to trying what I did, as in writing things out.It worked for me as at least it was out on paper instead of stuck in my head?I started this, told our mutual friend what I was doing, and she obviously encouraged it, abd it HELP SO MUCH when I did start the 'exposure' part of my therapy after I was stabilized by meds from the psychiatrist who works with her. He's also great.He still has to follow me too.Anyways, our mutual friend also told me that I had started something by myself befoore she could bring it up as it's a well used part of 'exposure' therapy. Not for everyone obviously, as she knows all kinds of tricks .Might you like to try this??Wouldn't hurt to try? larry

Anonymous said...

Which brings me to another point you recognized and I mentioned.She knows what she's doing, and she will have a whole bag of tricks so to speak, to help, and she tailors it to YOU, she really gets to know you,deep stuff obviously, and it makes a WORLD OF DIFFERENCE cause I know the difference between what I had, was struggling with in the other psychologist for over 10 yrs compared to her and all that work with her. larry

Anonymous said...

I started writing when you told me a while back. That's why I feel nothing is working anymore. the more stress the worse it gets. Your first two paragraphs explain it all. You want to run, but it will still be there. I have tried to think long and hard what else I could do but I have no other ideas.
I don't want to burden you with this. You have come so far.

Anonymous said...

I liked her for that reason. She just did not want to deal with the problem, she wanted to know who I was. I was not that open because I was pretty nervous.

Anonymous said...

Try your best at work, and take care of yourself when you get home, you're going to have to learn that you MUST put yourself first, for a period of time, and hubby will have to and he will want to pick up the slack so to speak, cause when you're doing this stuff(therapy) and dealing with feelings/emotions etc it is absolutely draining, but you take care of yourself, don't expect too much from yourself as the energy will be depleted as when I did it, my brain was constantly 24/7 going a million miles an hour, and anything I did,tried to do would be a bust cause I was just braindead toasted no energy interest etc and I HAD to hibernate and rest so I HAD the energy to do the therapy. When you get home, rest pls. and no worries bout chatting iif you can't/don't want to, but I will check at 6 and you tell me, ok. You can do this, hang on, it's worth it ok. Short term pain long term gain. larry

Anonymous said...

Hey you're there!

Anonymous said...

thanks Larry

Anonymous said...

Pls YOU ARE NOT BURDENING ME! OK I'm here to help you. We'll get this done OK, and you'll have lots of people helping you as we're going to be with you and for you all the way to that light ok larry

Anonymous said...

Trust Me Pls and remember HOPE and that light, it's there, you will get there, if I have any say in this as I want you to be and feel how good it is.Lean on all the people you have in your corner thats what we're here for.Promise you. OK larry

Anonymous said...

thanks larry. Although difficult to rely on others when you have been alone with this for so long I will. I don't have a choice now. Way beyond what I can handle on my own. I do look forward to being where you are. Just can't much see through the chaos right now.

Anonymous said...

Well Larry, I want to thank you for all your support lately. You have helped me so much and given me so many ideas to try and cope. You've told me what is happening is quit normal which is always good to know specially when you think your going crazy. You have given me every bit of support sharing what you went through and I thank you. Yes, I had a mushy moment.

I don't think I can talk tonight. I am not managing this very well and I don't even know what to say.
I am really tired. I know you will be there as I travel on this path. If i feel better later i will see if your on. If not maybe we can chat tomorrow.
Look forward to meeting you.

Anonymous said...

No problem. larry

Anonymous said...

I heard from our mutual friend through email last night. She is so kind and caring. It was nice to hear her words of encouragement.
My two hour interview is today and putting my thoughts together with no stress is hard enough being shy as I am, but now with all this and no sleep I can only hope it goes well.
You know what I realized. Your wife sits in the same seat as I. Your job as a first responder is the same as my husband. When my husband is working and on the road and is late coming home, she must sit and worry as I do about my husband. I wonder if you guys know how hard it is for your wives.
When you say you had to concentrate 24/7 on getting better. I can never see myself ever able to do that. My husband works long hours and is on call.
You know who holds up all the branches on the tree. It is me. Even when your having troubles handling your own crap you have to be there for everyone else.
Well I must get ready for work and and then go to my interview.
I will let you know how it went tonight. Have a good day my friend

Anonymous said...

I'm on nights and for next 3 nights will be out of contact so you know. lots goin on at the station.BUT I will check as soon as I get home from work and reply to all your updates/concerms etc.and hopefully your daily questions you'd care to leave me and I'll answer em all ok.Plus I'll write if things come to me during day as I asked you before if this was okay. larry

Anonymous said...

So glad she made contact with you.She is truly and angel,my safety blanket,and the best AS SHE DOES care!i really hope your interview goes well, you CAN DO IT pls have confidence in yourself, WE ALL DO!As for the parallel with my wife, BELIEVE ME I know how hard/scary/difficult it is for my whole family.Even more in 2006 after the fire where I went thru the roof when it collapsed and was trapped in the fire,ran out of air,said my goodbyes and landed in the trauma unit to awaken couple days later with my wife beside me.My girls all had to get help with this as they were so scared and didn't want me going back to work.BUT my wife knows,is use to it, in that you can't dwell and wonder about what might happen because if she did, then she'd stop living.Thats why you can't sweat the small stuff in life,live for today as it could be cut short as we know,and have FUN.Thats why its so important for you also to work hard get thru therapy to begin your new life filled with HOPE.Lifes too short,and I now say that everyday I'm not in a pine box is a great day!My opinion only though. larry

Anonymous said...

Holding up the branches of the tree, yup I know, understand, and this is why it is SO IMPORTANT to have the whole family involved! Pls trust me.When the whole family gets help,involved with helping you,in that everyone gets some understanding about the whys and how to help you by picking up slack around home, it's a VERY IMPORTANNT integral part of the whole big picture in your therapy.Ya, we went thru the house being a mess, or chores not always getting done, you know what I'm trying to say, but it's short term pain, long term gain.YOU and the family are more important, so some things may lag or fall behind, but look at the end result,as in you will all have a new beginning and life filled with HOPE and new joy! larry

Anonymous said...

Well Larry, my choice to deal with this is going to hurt my opportunities at a job. I went to the interview and I know that opportunity is out the window.

From our mutual friend at the meeting I was told not to feel ashamed of it, not to hide from it, and that I needed help.
Now I am having trouble getting a job because once people find out that closes your doors. I am so angry

Anonymous said...

Yes, I do like reading the things that come to you during your evening. The more I learn the better I will be. I know so little being at the beginning of this that I am unable to draw from experience except what I get from you.
It's like being the most experienced in the job.
How long did you see our mutual friend every week? I always felt seeing someone meant you were crazy. How wrong was I?
After I wrote our mutual friend, she did not hesitate to correct my avoidance issue and I know you relate to that. No laughing.
I don't actually know I am doing it until someone tells me. I guess like not talking the last few nights to you might have been a little of that going on. You tell the truth to me which is sometimes difficult to hear. Prefer to avoid it ya know.
A little screwed up.
I work all day tomorrow until 3 and will take time to read if you write and then I work again at 5:30 until 1;30 in the morning.

Anonymous said...

Another night that I am sitting awake at 3am in the morning. Just can't seem to sleep. Did you have trouble sleeping or were you on medication and had no problem.
I find it hard to believe how long a person can work after no sleep.
I am hoping by starting the process with our mutual friend that that changes.

Anonymous said...

NO SHAME OK! We all have to learn and accept that message she drilled into me that YOU DID NOTHING WRONG!She taught me that,although it took many many times for it to sink in,and I know because of where you are at in this process/journey that you'll say, ya easy for you to say, as did I, but she will teach/explain/reason with you and as you go it WILL change and you WILL understand.Trust me again pls.You'll see. larry

Anonymous said...

That's so weird Larry. That is exactly what I said to myself. (Easy for you to say. ) That as well as I did not even know that was what I was doing. It is all normal for me. I know you are in the middle of shift so I won't write much. Ya know what would be great. To have a look out the window and see where I would be if I continue. Just looking for the light we talked about.

Anonymous said...

Ya know what is scary to me. I fell asleep on the chesterfield for a short time. During that time I had a nightmare of a bad scene that I have never had a problem with. It is like everything is creeping up on me and not allowing me to rest.
This is awful stuff Larry. I know you already know that though

Anonymous said...

Yes I do, and yes once you start opening up, other 'stuff' might also come back, stuff you haven't processed as it's called, but with our friend, she will help you guide you and support and be there as you progress forward and deal with all the secrets you have avoided for self protection from the past. larry

Anonymous said...

Our brain is quit amazing at protecting us
Aren't you suppose to be resting

Anonymous said...

When you DO look out that window, and YOU WILL, try and picture PEACEfull, SERENE, and JOY and anything else that would and will make you smile. Relief is there from all of this, and you're on the way down that road already, but it will be and up and down road with very large hills to climb, as she described to me, it's like pushing a snowball up a mountain, and it gets bigger as we go up, and then it rolls down a bit, so you have to start chipping stuff off of it, so you can continue up the mountain.You will get to the top, trust me,and the journey down will be alot easier, and the light will appear shortly after you start your descent OK It's there! larry

Anonymous said...

Ya and 'normal' for us, is a different place, and different thoughts,ways to keep going,protect ourselves(avoidance) and this is where she will help you to understand the many 'crazy coping skills' we have adopted in what I call "survivor mode". larry

Anonymous said...

Ya, but I really wanted to chat and make contact with you before I head off to work in a bit, so hoow are ya doing, and what would you like to chat about or??? larry

Anonymous said...

Thanks for your constant reassuring words. I feel so tired with it all now. You said yesterday that you are thankful to be alive. I totally understand where you are coming from and feel the same. I have seen so much and am thankful for everything I have. I just wish that I could get past this because I know there are worse things out there and feel I should be able to get on with things.

Anonymous said...

As for seeing our friend, i saw her every week for bout 3/4's of a year give or take. Ya and I know you didn't want to hear that, but no sugarcoating here, but please please also remember we are all very different and there's no one timeline for each of us, ok DO NOT FORGET THIS! You will be done when SHE says you are done, as she knows best. larry

Anonymous said...

Thanks for caring enough to chat before you leave. I am glad you are on. I do feel so alone. I guess because i have noone to talk to in person. I have made it that way though. It is my fault. A friend at my job where I took the month off made me go for lunch. She wanted to know what was wrong. I just can't talk about it. I just went home and cried. I don't get it. Why is it such a secret to me.
I did not think that other things were going to come up in my brain. I don't remember that stuff. The stuff that I remember now is enough let alone the other stuff

Anonymous said...

Hey, when you deal with this, and you are already, you will see that you will be able to deal cope think and be able to experience the simple things in life as I am now. Simple stuff, and I mean real simple, like snow falling, smiling, laughing,sleep,do things that are so simple but were so overwhelming that I just couldn't function and just about quit living. larry

Anonymous said...

I understand that our mutual friend knows best, and I am ready to listen and do what our mutual friend tells me. Not totally ready maybe to deal with it though, but I am at the stage of this process that is well beyond my control.

Anonymous said...

Oh ya, I know that one all too well and this is another battle I am also having when I go to work, as I'm still seeing way too much 'nasty stuff' and it's what they call a trigger, which doesn't have to happen there, but it can slam you out of nowhere by bringing up something else, but it is also certain sounds, sights smells etc. you might also have these larry

Anonymous said...

I am totally understanding of what you said about the simple things. Everything is very overwhelming and I have so much trouble functioning. Rock bottom explains it doesn't it.

Anonymous said...

the time, the smells what people look like, make me feel like I was on the scene. Some of it was so bad I felt like throwing my cookies up.
that is how I feel when a trigger hits me

Anonymous said...

Congrads, you said something incredible again, that you are ready to deal with this!Not in so many words, BUT when you let her help, and I just said to her ok, you tell me what to do and I'l do it, no matter what, although she had to teach me too as I would be thinking,what the hell am I doing this or that for, and she would then relate,tie it into another lesson,which helped me to move that snowball up a little further. WOW, I am SO PROUD HAPPY to hear you say the things you are saying, you make me smile, and please try to give yourself a big pat on the back for being COURAGOUS as you are ok larry

Anonymous said...

Yup, and me also, the triggers we experience are VERY POWERFUL and can slam you aside the head as I say, and it's not fun obviously, but she'll help and when you process, your brain will begin to 'quieten down' and the triggers won't be as violent, and this is also part of going up that mountain. larry

Anonymous said...

I wish I could feel that happiness you extend to me. Maybe when we meet in 6 months to a year at OSSIS I hope to be there feeling as you do.

Right now, I am not there. Hope you understand. I feel like I am in a lake with only my face out of water trying to stay afloat

Anonymous said...

Ya rock bottom, been there, and the only way is to fight your way back up, and I KNOW YOU CAN DO THAT!!So do you, but you just might not realize it, but I'LL REMIND YOU THAT YOU CAN, LOTS OK!larry

Anonymous said...

I am quit shocked at what it can take away from us. I have always been such a strong person, never complained, took care of everything and everyone around me even at work and gave 150% with everything. Now look at me. I mean I know you can't but you know what I mean

Anonymous said...

I definitely need reminding about now because it is no where to be found in my head.

Anonymous said...

You will be there, as will I beside you, OK. Feel free to leave as many questions/feelings as you'd like, as I have to get ready to go to work now, but keep your chin up, you're doing great ok, and get some rest take care of yourself, you are the priority now, ok, and I'll check in the morning when I get home,but please try to sleep rest as you've got a late night at work also. larry take care chat soon

Anonymous said...

Ya but I will on wednesday, which I am so looking forward to!! larry

Anonymous said...

Thanks Larry. You take care also. Be Safe tonight my friend

Anonymous said...

I am looking forward to meeting you also. Putting a face to all your support

Anonymous said...

I made it through a day and night of work and I think I slept walk my way home.
I am well beyond exhaustion. Ya know Larry, I hate where I am right now with this. It feels out of control in a lonely corner of a room.
I am already getting nervous about Wednesday. I have to do this though, as I know this is where I need to be. (and no it has nothing to do with you going)I think it is because I have to then admit that I have this. I have not done that except to you, our two mutual friends and my hubby (and he does not know much).
I feel ashammed and embarrassed, angry and weakened by it.
An awful lot of emotions there I know. Just a little overwhelmed I'd say.
thanks for chatting this afternoon. I really appreciated it.

Anonymous said...

The emotions will run wild and rampant, but you know this, and please take comfort if you can, you must actually, as you need to try and remember, and yes its difficult but I'll keep reminding you, that you're on your way to finding that light and HOPE!OK Pls pls also,YOU DID NOT ASK FOR THIS TO HAPPEN!Again, I had to be taught and reminded many times about this with the guit,shame and all the other by products of the many emotions and feelings that I felt and that you are feeling.

Anonymous said...

Here's a VERY personal part of my therapy that I have never revealed as it does bring the tears out in me all the time, and now also as I write this.To show you just how hard it was for ME to accept the "It's not your fault bit.A long time into therapy I still couldn't figure it out,or accept or understand just exactly what she was saying, because trying to absorb learn etc in therapy is difficult with everything coming at you, but my oldest daughter kept pounding that statement into me, and she would say it many many times a day whenever I broke down and sobbed because of just how helpless,vulnerable,screwed up not normal I felt etc.and I had a hard time accepting it from my own daughter,which hurt me so bad because I felt horrible in that she was trying to help me, and I'm the one who was suppose to be doing for her,protecting guiding etc.It was a horrible feeling of guilt that I had knowing that how terrible is this, I can't do what I was suppose to be doing, being a father/parent to my girls. WOW,that was difficult to get that one out on paper so to speak, but this just means that you will need to be reminded over and over,maybe,as each of us is different with everything we go through,but at the same time we have SO MUCH in common, does this last part make sense?I'm trying to say that timewise it is going to take different amounts for each of us to get through things etc. please remember this, as this is NOT A RACE for you,nor was it for me, our friend(she) will know and help you with this also.larry

Anonymous said...

I never thought about it like that. Your right I did not ask for this and to go on all the those scenes and even when I said to them that I needed a break they never listened. Scene after scene. They said they could always trust me with the product.
I remember a friend that use to say she had an angel on her shoulder because throughout her career she had never been exposed to what I had. (How did I feel)
I also have the parent issue of not feeling i was there for my children. My oldest daughter is always saying everything will be alright.
I just didn't realize how much we had in common with this. The things in life that we face with this are so much the same. That is why our mutual friend said a comment to not do that, and then said you all do that.
I know that was hard for you to tell me about your children, but it helped me to understand that what was happening in my life is normal.
I understand it is not a race, but I think it is normal for me to want it over now. Pain is not something that we enjoy. It has hung around me for so long. I am on one hand happy this gave me no choice but to deal with it because of the way I feel and who I can get back (ME) and on the other hand I am scared and hope I can continue through this because i am great at running and avoiding

Anonymous said...

Well larry my hubby is working all weekend and my daughter is resting. I am taking my camera into the woods for a couple of hours for some peace. Yes,I leave a note what wooded area I am in.
I will be back at 12 so I will check if your on sometime around 2 or 3

Anonymous said...

Neat about how much we have in common ay?And this is why I'm doing this. Thought about this all night in that I wanted to reply to something you said regarding you're learning a bit from me. This is what I had hoped I would be able to do for others and you of course as others I'm hoping might be reading what I've wrote, but you and me are chatting and you're realizing and learning all kinds of helpful stuff from me in that you notice that you are feeling/seeing things but that YOU ARE NORMAL! and ya I have to smile, because I can still hear her say to me also, You're All Like That! Her words are very comforting to me as I know they are to you. larry

Anonymous said...

PLEASE PLEASE BE CAREFUL! BUT ENJOY and try to remember HOPE in the peacefullness of the woods and your walk. Again, you're doing good things for yourself such as the walk, and thats important! larry

Anonymous said...

I had a good hike. I got lost for a short time, but was able to find my bearings to get back on track.

I am not sure you realize just how much you have helped me. I had not talked to anyone before, and you have made me feel comfortable enough to open up a little to yourself. I understand that it is anonymous and it is easier than being in front of someone, but it is a start for me. You have also helped to reassure me in seeing our mutual friend. I am still a little apprehensive, but that will come with time. It takes time to trust.
Ya know what I realized. This crap has reared its dirty head only about 8 weeks ago, and I feel like it has been a year. I guess because I am still trying to fight it. You see, I can go for a while and never have any problems, then it would start again. It is so weird. I would try stay away from what would make it come back, then that something was around the corner and I could not prevent it.

Anonymous said...

Sorry gotta leave early for appt.Couple of weeks ago I told you briefly that there's an upcoming lets say 'huge challenge' that is going to be life changing for me, and I hope others.Has to do with trying to help others though, just that the ramifications for me personally with where I work are huge in that we'll find out just how much stigma etc. is going to get blown back in my face and just how much of an outsider I'm going to be now.This is where the 'park bench' and 'my calling' comes into play.Have to admit I'm real scared,but this is the right thing to dofor everyone out there who suffers as we have and do.Take care, hope the walk was peaceful and enjoyable and I'll try to chat in the morning,gotta go, larry

Anonymous said...

Well Larry, from what I can get out of the little you have told me, the issue you are dealing with is huge. If I am reading it right it can affect a lot of things in your future.
It is so important to stand up for what you believe in and fight for the people that you are working with as well as yourself. Our morals and values are what we set within ourself, and i always have to remind myself not to deter from that. Sometimes when others cover things up it only makes it easier for them to deal with it not you or I. I don't know what the park bench is for or the story behind it, because I know I am not there, but I have no problem sharing a coffee with a friend on any park bench when he feels he is outsider.
Will be thinking of you as you face this. Be strong

Anonymous said...

So how did everything work out for you earlier at work. Hope everything went well.
If things did not go well and your not up to talking I totally understand. I have been there many times with you.
Take care

Anonymous said...

Thx for your words of kindness and support, it REALLY truly means alot.I'm going to write right now for my sunday contribution. I'm going to share with everyone exactly whats going on, and these damn feelings that I am overwhelmed with right now.Best thing is though, this is REAL right now,so it might give others an insight with regards to they are 'normal' as we all go through certain feelings that we "might" have in common,and they're not alone.Hopefully for familys and others it will maybe help them understand some things. larry

Anonymous said...

Look forward to reading more